Curse

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Well I guess A-net didn't listen to my last post warning them about their current and future ideas for Guild Wars.

PvP is the end-game for most repeat buyers. To maintain a large player base, an MMORPG must have quality, well-supported PvE. Blizzard has known this since the beginning and that is why they continue to stomp Guild Wars in the market. Guild Wars was a great opportunity with a bright future. It seems that they have had a change in management.

Arena Net is not encouraging PvE play. They are starting small events such as the Dragon Festival as maintanence for the PvE base. What they should be doing is introducing new content in the form of high level areas or revealing more map.

Instead, they are introducing rehashed/expanded PvP content every 6 months for another $50. This is bad business. If Nightfall does not have quality PvE content when released it will be the last game I purchase from Arena Net.

Monthly costs to play:

World of Warcraft- about 12 dollars a month
Guild Wars- 10 dollars a month

Although Guild Wars is a better value it doesn't come near matching WoW in content. I spend absolutely all my time in Prophecies because it has better PvE and I have absolutely no problem with not buying anything else from Arena Net. I will play Prophecies as long as the servers are running.

On the Reverse side of the coin are PvP players who are mildly enjoying the updates and nerfs. I want to know from true PvPer's though, will you continue buying Guild Wars chapters based on what we know so far. Will you or your parents be willing to shell out $100 a year for content that is half as good as the original product.

I do not think Guild Wars will ever tank. They are making profits. But, I can't fathom why they would alienate their customer base and purposely lose money.

For the last time!

I WILL STAY IN PROPHECIES AND ENJOY MY GUILD WARS EXPERIENCE FOR AS LONG AS THE SERVERS ARE OPEN! UNLESS PVE GAME CONTENT NOTICEABLY IMPROVES, I WILL NOT GIVE ARENA NET ONE MORE DIME!

Kaguya · Jul 24, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29

You don't like it, don't buy it.

There are people who like Factions a ton, so don't generalize

xMikex · Jul 24, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

I dont get you man i think factions has good enough pve...

Longasc · Jul 24, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

I am not sure what the point is. Factions might not suit everyone, but there are few high end areas in Prophecies - basically everything after the desert.

I however agree that Factions could have used more missions and more and larger area, despite the areas being quite packed and dense.

I wonder why GW and WoW get compared. I play GW because I do not have the time for another EQ-derivate. If I would have all the time in the world, I would play EVE, but both EVE and WoW demand too much time if you really want to play them well.

This is why I prefer GW...

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

I was an alcoholic a year ago and this game has kept me sober. It is the only thing I have enjoyed more than the bottle. I am just afraid of what will happen if I get bored with it. This is my personal concern. Please don't flame.

Malice Black · Jul 24, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

guild wars was never intended for PvE only ppl, PvE was added to give the PvP ppl some light relief/entertainment when they were not in a GvG/HoH battle

Sekkira · Jul 24, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40

I find it funny how people relate the half yearly expansions to monthly fees in Guild Wars. Normal MMORPG's have expansions too and while you pay monthly to play the game, you still have to pay for the expansion. On top of that, expansions give people advantages over others who don't have them. The metagame is still Prophecies only skills when it comes to PvP.

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

it seems that only PvP players are up tonight. That's a shame. I would have liked to seem some ppl agree.

Malice Black · Jul 24, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

it seems that only PvP players are up tonight. That's a shame. I would have liked to seem some ppl agree.

i was a pve only player but my statement was true this game was not ment for pve only

u either have to play pvp or find a new game..im currently looking for a new game

my copy of guildwars/factions was uninstalled last week

cookiemonkie · Jul 24, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Its pretty sad you have to whine about that, after all guild wars is a $50 video game, if the video game causes you that much grief you need to be spending some of that money else where.

For each person that bitches about Guild Wars there is an equal amount that bitches about WoW.

So what WoW has a bigger audience, is this not a surprise since its marketted by Microsoft which can easily buy out online media outlets or fork out bigger marketting dollars.

If you think WoW doesn't have its problems, especially with network reliability etc... brother.

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

I find it funny how people relate the half yearly expansions to monthly fees in Guild Wars. Normal MMORPG's have expansions too and while you pay monthly to play the game, you still have to pay for the expansion. On top of that, expansions give people advantages over others who don't have them. The metagame is still Prophecies only skills when it comes to PvP.

It was just a warning to the game designers about losing PvE players like me. I have no problem with PvP. I just want them to provide a quality PvE product along with all the PvP.

Ventius Hozza · Jul 24, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I play PvP regularly, but I have also played PvE extensively. I find that the PvE in Factions is tedious but short. The only reason that I make new characters in Factions is for all the skill points you get in such a quick space of time. (My ele got all the ele elites and had 24 skill points left and reached end game of both P & F within 36 hours, missing out anything before beacons perch).

I don't think that PvP has been treated right. All the open and locked ladder, rating farming has really made GvG's boring now, to the extent that I don't want to see another smiter, thumper or just general gimmick build.

No, I don't have a solution, no, I haven't put my thoughts in an orderly manner, but the above is how I feel, how I feel it.

Theus · Jul 24, 2006, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

I find it funny how people relate the half yearly expansions to monthly fees in Guild Wars. Normal MMORPG's have expansions too and while you pay monthly to play the game, you still have to pay for the expansion. On top of that, expansions give people advantages over others who don't have them. The metagame is still Prophecies only skills when it comes to PvP.

Indeed.And it will only change if NightFall releases some pretty good skills...Unlike Factions did for the Mesmer.

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by cookiemonkie

Its pretty sad you have to whine about that, after all guild wars is a $50 video game, if the video game causes you that much grief you need to be spending some of that money else where.

For each person that bitches about Guild Wars there is an equal amount that bitches about WoW.

So what WoW has a bigger audience, is this not a surprise since its marketted by Microsoft which can easily buy out online media outlets or fork out bigger marketting dollars.

If you think WoW doesn't have its problems, especially with network reliability etc... brother.

Once again I am misquoted. I said that I enjoy Guild Wars Prophecies. It was just a warning to game designers that they won't make any more money off of players like me unless they create a product worth buying by players like me. If you enjoy the new chapters then that's great. But they could please a lot more ppl if they tried just a tad harder.

Malice Black · Jul 24, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

MMO's are an asian dominated market...aslong as the asians are happy Anet will keep things ase they are (my veiw)

Kaguya · Jul 24, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

Once again I am misquoted. I said that I enjoy Guild Wars Prophecies. It was just a warning to game designers that they won't make any more money off of players like me unless they create a product worth buying by players like me. If you enjoy the new chapters then that's great. But they could please a lot more ppl if they tried just a tad harder.

So you think ANet is intentionally publishing "bad expansions"? They have published only one expansion so far, which was received pretty well in the end.

GW model of PvE isn't really that long lasting, you can beat the PvE story in under a week if you play ~actively, and they really can't prolong it all that much so it doesn't come very repetitive. They can't please everyone, if you don't enjoy the way things are done, there are other games which do things differently, simple as that.

What are you suggesting they improve anyways? What there should be in Nightfall to make you buy and play it?

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

MMO's are an asian dominated market...aslong as the asians are happy Anet will keep things ase they are (my veiw)

I never thought of that.

*Crys because I'm not asian and have no say in the future of Guild Wars*

Snowman · Jul 24, 2006, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

PvP is the end-game for most repeat buyers. To maintain a large player base, an MMORPG must have quality, well-supported PvE.

How many times must people be told?.. Guildwars is NOT an MMORPG. Its a CORPG as stated on their website.

So it wont and never will follow the structures of other MMO's.

And if your concerned that ANET are not listening to you, try emailing them.

Ventius Hozza · Jul 24, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Snowman

try emailing them.

many, many times over.

KurtTheBehemoth · Jul 24, 2006, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

What are you suggesting they improve anyways? What there should be in Nightfall to make you buy and play it?

New and evolving high level areas like FoW and UW. Something new every couple of months. Dragon Festivals don't cut it. Plus, these areas must be available to all player regardless of the chapter they own.